beer_good_foamy: (Default)
[personal profile] beer_good_foamy
I just spent 20 minutes trying to add the following reply on the LJ News post (http://news.livejournal.com/151767.html):

Since I won't sign anything where I have no way of knowing what it is I'm signing, I'm commenting through (OpenID/Twitter).

Please note that in accordance with part 3 Article 10.1 of the Federal Act of the Russian Federation No. 149-ФЗ the Administration shall keep the following information and provide it upon the lawful request of the competent authorities regardless of Users will
I am not a Russian citizen. What is Article 10.2 of the Federal Act of the Russian Federation No. 149-ФЗ? Please provide me with a full text of it before I agree to it.

Mark Content estimated by Russian legislation as inappropriate for children (0 −18) as “adult material” by using Service functions.
I am not a Russian citizen. Please provide me with a comprehensive list of content that Russian legislation considers inappropriate for children, and which of these LJ intends to inforce.

ATTENTION: this translation of the User Agreement is not a legally binding document. The original User Agreement, which is valid, is located at the following address: http://www.livejournal.com/legal/tos-ru.bml.
I am not a Russian citizen. If the English translation is not valid, why do I need to sign it? What's in the Russian version that we're not told in the translation?


Unfortunately, LJ won't let me sign in through OpenID, and when I created a Twitter account and signed on using that, I was told my reply was marked as spam.

(Remember that when LJ was first bought by the Russians, we were told that "Complaints will not be accepted. They'll get used to it. Anything sent in English is spam.")

So, fuck LJ.

Date: 2017-04-04 09:09 pm (UTC)
shapinglight: (Default)
From: [personal profile] shapinglight
I've been offline since Saturday and have only the haziest idea what's going on?

What's going on?

Date: 2017-04-04 09:20 pm (UTC)
shapinglight: (Default)
From: [personal profile] shapinglight
:(

Okay, that's scared me off even trying to log in.

I saw you telling Barb you might leave fandom altogether. Please don't. :(

Date: 2017-04-04 09:41 pm (UTC)
shapinglight: (Default)
From: [personal profile] shapinglight
I've cooled down on the fandom front in many ways myself. I still love BtVS but haven't much desire to talk about it any more, and time is short for other stuff.

There is a good community here on DW for talking about The Americans, if you're interested in that.

I'm just trying to read through this TOS (the English is not great). Have also read this 10.2 of Russian Federal Law no 149 and cannot say I am much the wiser. :(

Date: 2017-04-05 07:35 am (UTC)
shapinglight: (Default)
From: [personal profile] shapinglight
Neat, thanks! Is it [community profile] theamericans?

Yes, it is. Very good discussions on there, though some of the posters are so knowledgeable they scare me a little bit.


Date: 2017-04-06 01:30 am (UTC)
shadowkat: (Default)
From: [personal profile] shadowkat
I found a way to log in without signing the agreement. Install an anti-script device. Apparently the user agreement is using java scripts. (I installed Ghostery and it worked.) I got in, and I deleted it.

(I don't like the fact that my content is sitting on a Russian owned site...with what is happening at the moment in the US.)

So you can get in there without signing. That is until they figure out a way around that loophole.

Date: 2017-04-05 12:39 am (UTC)
dragonyphoenix: Blackadder looking at scraps of paper, saying "It could use a beta" (blackadder)
From: [personal profile] dragonyphoenix
I'm also leery of signing the agreement. Looks like I'm abandoning my LJ account. ;-(

Date: 2017-04-05 02:09 pm (UTC)
dragonyphoenix: (Evil!Binky)
From: [personal profile] dragonyphoenix
I deleted my account without signing in by disabling JavaScripts. I got the heads up from tree_and_leaf via londonkds.

Date: 2017-04-05 03:56 pm (UTC)
dragonyphoenix: (Evil!Binky)
From: [personal profile] dragonyphoenix
You should be able to import to DW, unless their import code depends on JavaScripts. I'd imported a while back to I didn't try it. Good luck!

Date: 2017-04-05 12:53 am (UTC)
shadowkat: (Default)
From: [personal profile] shadowkat
After my Russian co-worker almost talked me into signing it, you've talked me out of it.

I'm not willing to sign the thing in order to delete my journal, which by the way annoys me that I can't delete it without signing the agreement. But it feels safer somehow.

You can by the way read LJ without signing it. Just don't log in. Actually you can do a lot anonymously on it by not logging in. I discovered that yesterday.
But they may decide it's spam.

Interestingly enough it doesn't apply to paid users (because it can't, since they aren't protected under the consumer rights act.)

Date: 2017-04-06 01:25 am (UTC)
shadowkat: (Default)
From: [personal profile] shadowkat
I read Barb's links at work on my iphone, after discussing the situation with a fellow contracts lawyer. I installed Ghostry, and deleted my journal tonight with signing the user agreement.

I suggest everyone do the same.

Date: 2017-04-05 02:08 pm (UTC)
dragonyphoenix: (Evil!Binky)
From: [personal profile] dragonyphoenix
I deleted my journal without signing in by disabling JavaScripts.

Date: 2017-04-06 12:29 am (UTC)
shadowkat: (Default)
From: [personal profile] shadowkat
Thank you!! I deleted it and told them why. Goodbye LJ. The only thing I lost was posts on a recent trip to Costa Rica. I can always repost that stuff here on DW, if I wish. Everything else is backed up here. Oh and the comments...but, I don't tend to re-read my journal anyhow.

Date: 2017-04-06 01:38 am (UTC)
dragonyphoenix: (raven)
From: [personal profile] dragonyphoenix
I also told them why although I think I said something like "stop fucking with us" ;-)

Date: 2017-04-06 02:39 am (UTC)
shadowkat: (Default)
From: [personal profile] shadowkat
I was a bit more diplomatic.

There are folks on LJ who don't understand why we are leaving. They think all user agreements on social media are the same and just as sketchy. (I know they aren't.)

Apparently the JavaScript option is no longer available -- the LJ coders figured out we were using that. But Ghostery which blocks script and tracking on sites, might me.

Date: 2017-04-07 01:42 am (UTC)
dragonyphoenix: (Evil!Binky)
From: [personal profile] dragonyphoenix
It looks like Ghostery worked for you? I'm glad if so.

I figured the JavaScript option wouldn't last long. That's why I used it right away and shared that fix quickly.

Date: 2017-04-08 01:51 am (UTC)
shadowkat: (Default)
From: [personal profile] shadowkat
You the Ghostery worked like a charm. Although, granted, I didn't try anything other than deleting the journal. I sort of wish I had, but I doubt it would have worked.

My mistake...was not leaving completely when they announced they were moving the servers to Russia. As a legal professional, I knew that what that meant, I've no excuse. But, damn, I was on lj since 2003, I didn't want to leave.

Date: 2017-04-11 08:55 pm (UTC)
dragonyphoenix: (raven)
From: [personal profile] dragonyphoenix
I'm glad that worked.

I had ported my LJ journals to dreamwidth after they'd announced moving to the Russian servers, but I hadn't closed LJ down completely.

Date: 2017-04-05 04:01 pm (UTC)
frogfarm: And a thousand gay men wept. (Default)
From: [personal profile] frogfarm
This is why I never agree to any terms of service. Just like America, if they want me gone, they'll have to get up on their hind legs and throw me out.

Date: 2017-04-06 02:42 am (UTC)
shadowkat: (Default)
From: [personal profile] shadowkat
Even worse, they've kicked you out, but kept your content and made it impossible for you to do anything with your content -- import it, alter it, edit it, comment on it, block it, or delete it. That bothered me a great deal. The moment I was able to get in there and remove it, I did.

But it will take 60 days. And it's blocked from my use during that time. Although that was always the case.

No, I'm gone. The user agreement was the point of no return for me.

Date: 2017-04-06 05:26 am (UTC)
frogfarm: And a thousand gay men wept. (Default)
From: [personal profile] frogfarm
1) #NotABindingAgreement

2) I should have posted the full text of "even in vegas" and seen how long it took to offend someone

Date: 2017-04-06 02:25 pm (UTC)
frogfarm: And a thousand gay men wept. (Default)
From: [personal profile] frogfarm
I disagree (that the Russian agreement is binding), but as Ren said: "I guess we'll never know!"
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