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beer_good_foamy ([personal profile] beer_good_foamy) wrote2010-09-03 08:52 pm
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#36

Barring unforseen events, this is my last post on the Buffy comics. A couple of months ago, some people asked me to do a review of this issue when it came out. This is probably not that review - sorry, guys - but since I'd already jotted down a "previously on" before the last two issues, I might as well post it, along with some sort of final word.

So, for those who haven't been keeping up with the story or whose memory grew hazy over the six-month break, a short summary of the more recent events of Season 8 AKA Twilight.

Some boys take a beautiful girl and hide her away from the rest of the world.
- Cyndi Lauper

Angelus: I got a message for Buffy.
Buffy: Why don't you give it to me yourself?
Angelus: Well, it's not really the kind of message you tell. It sort of involves finding the bodies of all your friends.

- Buffy, The Vampire Slayer

At some point after "Not Fade Away" (we don't know if Joss counts After The Fall, but it's moot after ATF Bobby Ewinged itself), Angel traded his sanity and moral compass for Superman powers, put on a Mexican wrestling mask, renamed himself Twilight and took over the world. Now he's "focusing" humanity's efforts to love the vampires who kill them and exterminate vampire Slayers, except he's apparently just doing it for Buffy's sake (he claims he's trying to minimize damage, but we haven't actually seen him prevent anything - quite the contrary). When Buffy finds out, after many a strange adventure that somehow led to her also having Superman powers, she's understandably miffed that her high school boyfriend is responsible for killing hundreds of Slayers, hunting her all over the world, and basically making her life hell. But Angel tells her it's OK since he was just doing it to impress Jodie Foster demoralize her, that he's not responsible for all the people he had killed since they would have died at some point anyway, and besides nobodysawmeyoucan'tproveanythingitlookedlikethatwhenIgothere. Then he starts sparkling. So Buffy does what any Twilight heroine would do at that point: drops trou and boinks Angel senseless (-er). What Angel has conveniently forgotten to tell her, however - and I'm sure it just slipped his mind - is that since the Universe is sentient and has its own Bangel fanfic (also called Twilight), this means that they ascend (literally, through outer space, while fucking) to a We-are-as-gods-like Eden (also called Twilight) where only the two of them will live happily ever after. How romantic. Unfortunately, the price for this is the destruction of Earth and everyone on it. Buffy points out that the apocalypse and the death of all their friends and loved ones (and, y'know, the entire human race and fluffy kittens too) is a bad thing, Angel says "nuh-uh", Buffy says "is too", Angel says "whatevs" and they go back to Earth just in time to meet up with Spike, who lives in a yellow submarine (no word yet on whether it's called Twilight, but the odds are pretty good).

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I wrote that a month ago, thinking I'd write a proper review to tack onto it at some point. Because hey, it's Joss, and surely he had some reason for dragging this story out for four years even as it seemed to sink hopelessly into nonsense. And the Riley oneshot, for all its plot-related faults, was pretty decent. Then i read #36, hoping it would start getting things back on track, and... no. It got worse. I've read the interview with Scott Allie (who as usual works hard to dispel any notions that there might be a good story in here somewhere), I've read the defenses by various people, and I've got nothing.

Don't get me wrong, there's plenty of things to snark at here. The sudden reveals of even more completely off-the-wall plot, as if they didn't have enough to make sense of already; The Master not only being back (if only Buffy had killed him all those years ago! Did you forget again, Joss?) but being the source of all magic in the world; Angel travelling back in time but not time-travelling, which is apparently a completely different thing; Angel suggesting that he needs psychiatric help when he hears dogs talking to him, and the dog not contradicting him; Willow, for some reason, turning Angel back into the superpowered villain instead of a harmless frog; Bella declaring the end of the world "the bestest day ever" and sending the guy who's been killing Slayers out to protect them from himself; that Angel could still have stopped all this by doing absolutely nothing; etc etc etc. There's even some potentially interesting tie-backs to the good ol' Bangel days of s1-s2 - The Master, the prophecy that only comes true if you try to stop it ("Prophecy Girl"), Angel's mind games to drive the object of his obsession desperate ("Lie To Me"), his plan to open a portal and suck the world into hell ("Becoming")... Maybe Allie really is honest this time when he promises it will finally start making sense by #39, 4 years into the story, and we won't get there and be told sorry, but it'll make sense by the end of Season 9. And it's quite possible that Emmie is right: maybe this time, the complete OOC-ness really is a plot point and not just a combination of misaimed fandom, bad writing, and Georges Jeanty. So, it's not that I'm ruling out that Joss has an explanation for all this, despite the all the new wtfery and Allie's assurances that it's going to be all about the action and explosions from now on. If we're really lucky, it might even be an explanation that makes sense, unlike 66.6% of the plot so far. I just don't see how an explanation can make it better.

It's hard to explain this. I've tried to phrase it in all sorts of rational-sounding arguments, with examples from the TV series (Angelus' reaction to voices telling him to kill people is still priceless), tried to parse the contradictory statements from both the story and the people behind it, tried to figure out what the plot is and why it's that way and where they're going and what it means and how on earth these are supposed to be the same characters as in the TV series. There were, at least up until they suddenly decided to make it all about the same old Buffy/Angel angst that the TV show left several seasons ago, some really interesting themes in Season 8 if you knew where to look. But de gustibus non est disputandum and I guess what it finally comes down to, for me, is that the entire Twilight plot is ... let's call it Jar Jar syndrome:

Jar Jar Binks is annoying. I don't want an explanation for why Jar Jar Binks is annoying. I don't want backstory on how he became so annoying. I don't want to see his medical report detailing the mental issues that make him annoying. I don't want excuses along the lines of "Well, the ewoks were a little annoying too, so clearly you just hate Jar Jar to have something to complain about." I don't want a huge epic story dragged out over four years which may or may not end with him being slightly less annoying. I don't want big tearjerker scenes in which he admits that he knows he's annoying. I don't want all the other characters reacting to Jar Jar being annoying and changing all their actions accordingly. I don't want to have to quantify why I find him annoying (and just a little bit offensive). He's just incredibly fucking annoying. That, in itself, makes him a bad character, and if you base the entire story around him, the entire story will be fundamentally flawed. The mere (almost) absence of Jar Jar Binks in parts II and III didn't in and of itself make those movies good, just slightly less annoying.

If you base an entire 4-year story around a nonsense plot that requires all characters up to and including The Universe itself to act insane, morally corrupt for no reason, and tremendously out of character, with every flaw quickly hidden under a bigger one and any sense of logic abandoned years ago, it doesn't matter if after four years they give us a good explanation for why the story was that way. The story as a whole still sucks, and any payoff can at best be a sigh of relief that it stops sucking.

But hey, at least once Season 8 is over, we'll never have to hear of it again, right?



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[personal profile] indestructiblewhale 2010-09-03 07:32 pm (UTC)(link)

Sucks. :(

I *want* to believe Emmie's interpretation, but I'm far too cynical at this point. To me, there has to be some kind of in-text confirmation that they're acting funny for me to buy it. Yes, I think they're OOC, but I've thought that since issue 1 and nothing's ever been explained.

The writers keep thinking that basically admitting something doesn't make sense, is silly or is OOC and making fun of it somehow makes it OK. Having Willow make fun of Buffy's stealing doesn't make it in character, neither Kennedy joking about Buffy's abrupt bisexuality. What makes me cynical is they sort of do the same here with Spike's comment about doing the bad guy. Since when? Angel wasn't a bad guy in S2, neither was Parker, Riley or Spike when they were together. Unless Buffy and Adam were secretly hooking up, I don't know what he's talking about.

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[personal profile] shakatany 2010-09-03 07:53 pm (UTC)(link)
I haven't read the comics of either brand but I have been reading the commentary by various readers who seem to me to be sacrificing their time and sanity for me.

I know the comic book medium is different from television but in my long ago youth I read some epic comics that made sense and kept the characterizations "real" and consistent from writer to writer. This Buffy seems far more juvenile than the one we met in "Welcome to the Hellmouth" and Twangel seems like her young love's dream; in other words they are kids who are in their own little world disregarding real life consequences. The Angel I came to know in AtS was different from the one in Sunnydale with other concerns and other people he cared about (Cordelia, Connor etc). The Buffy at the end of "Chosen" was a young woman on her way to responsible adulthood. These comics seem to me to want to be a reboot of the series (like the recent Star Trek movie), going back to their high school selves and ignoring the way the characters changed and matured over the span of the 2 series. For me the comics are NOT canon - just badly written fanfic even if Joss-almighty-Whedon is at the helm :(

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[personal profile] deird1 2010-09-03 08:55 pm (UTC)(link)
The Buffy at the end of "Chosen" was a young woman on her way to responsible adulthood. These comics seem to me to want to be a reboot of the series (like the recent Star Trek movie), going back to their high school selves and ignoring the way the characters changed and matured over the span of the 2 series.

Well put.

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[personal profile] deird1 2010-09-03 08:56 pm (UTC)(link)
YouTube won't let me watch it. Silly regional restrictions... *grumble*

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[personal profile] rogin 2010-09-03 10:26 pm (UTC)(link)
Those things you said about Jar Jar that's exactly it. To the point. I'm kind of envious how you brought it down so perfectly.

In the end it's so frustrating because it is just not enjoyable to me. It's a lot more annoying than entertaining to read and usually I'd have no problem at all with dropping it and never speaking about it again.

But the annoying thing is that how much I love Buffy inspires how much I hate S8 right now.

I never would have cared that BSG had such a shitty ending if it did not have such a great beginning and it's that ^10 for Buffy.

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[identity profile] sueworld2003.livejournal.com 2010-09-03 07:26 pm (UTC)(link)
"The story as a whole still sucks, and any payoff can at best be a sigh of relief that it stops sucking."

And so say all of us! :D
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[personal profile] rahirah 2010-09-03 07:29 pm (UTC)(link)
Yeah. That. I said some time ago that even if Spike showed up at the eleventh hour on a yellow submarine white horse and saved the day with his awesomeness, the story would still suck. And what do you know? It does.

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*nods* It's extra lifeboats on the Titanic at this point. They'll probably reveal why it hit the iceberg, but...

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[identity profile] jgracio.livejournal.com 2010-09-03 08:04 pm (UTC)(link)
At least S8 isn't this:

Right? :D

[identity profile] beer-good-foamy.livejournal.com 2010-09-03 08:25 pm (UTC)(link)
At least S8 isn't this:

Well, there's 4 issues to go...

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[identity profile] fenchurche.livejournal.com 2010-09-03 08:24 pm (UTC)(link)
Thank you for putting it so succinctly and so well!

[identity profile] beer-good-foamy.livejournal.com 2010-09-03 08:30 pm (UTC)(link)
Thank you!

[identity profile] pamsblau.livejournal.com 2010-09-03 08:25 pm (UTC)(link)
Lol, i'm still positive but i just wanted to say that i find your review a very fun read indeed.I loved the last vid.

Bella declaring the end of the world "the bestest day ever"

*hoots*

She acted quite Bell-ish(lol)in the issue, didn't she?

[identity profile] beer-good-foamy.livejournal.com 2010-09-03 08:37 pm (UTC)(link)
Thanks. Robot Chicken is a lot of fun.

She acted quite Bell-ish(lol)in the issue, didn't she?

Well, I guess it's part of their copyright deal with Stephenie Meyer; they only get to use the name "Twilight" if they promise to turn Buffy and Angel into Bella and Edward. It's what vampire fans want, after all.

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[identity profile] 2maggie2.livejournal.com 2010-09-03 08:44 pm (UTC)(link)
Well-written as ever. Don't know what else to say. This is a fantastic issue, and I'm starting to think that season 8 might be the best ever. No conversation possible across an abyss like that -- but I did want to pop in and wave a friendly hello!

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I really don't see how you get there, but I'm happy for you that you do. *waves back*

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[personal profile] shapinglight 2010-09-03 09:35 pm (UTC)(link)
:applauds: That was the best encore ever.

[identity profile] beer-good-foamy.livejournal.com 2010-09-03 10:21 pm (UTC)(link)
Thanks!
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[personal profile] shapinglight 2010-09-03 09:42 pm (UTC)(link)
Also, are you mostly going to be on DW now, because I don't want to lose touch?

[identity profile] beer-good-foamy.livejournal.com 2010-09-03 10:25 pm (UTC)(link)
I honestly don't know yet. With the recent LJ shenanigans, I certainly don't feel like continuing to support them - but I don't want to leave everyone here either. Time will tell.

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[identity profile] shipperx.livejournal.com 2010-09-03 10:04 pm (UTC)(link)
I guess what it finally comes down to, for me, is that the entire Twilight plot is ... let's call it Jar Jar syndrome:

Heh. Last night, I compared it to this:

[identity profile] beer-good-foamy.livejournal.com 2010-09-03 10:37 pm (UTC)(link)
There was a charming simplicity to it all. Now everything sucks.

LOL! Thanks for that one! And item #2 really is spot on.

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[identity profile] shadowkat67.livejournal.com 2010-09-03 10:25 pm (UTC)(link)
Okay I've never laughed so hard at a review...that was hilarious.
(Sigh, it is saying something when the reviews of the comics are actually more entertaining than the actual comics.)

The kicker? I got to the end, attempted to click on your video and got this reply: "This video contains content from Turner EU who has blocked it in your country on copyright grounds." For some reason I find that highly amusing.

But then, I admittedly have an odd sense of humor. The joke I came up with on the way home from work regarding the Buffy comics is, well actually an analogy:

Angel is Dark Horse/Scott Allie
Buffy is Whedon
Spike is IDW (Chris Ryall and Bryan Lynch et al)

Twilight Universe - is the comic book canon

The fans are everyone else. You can figure out which one you are. Personally? I'm going with either Faith or a dead slayer, but it is admittedly a toss-up.

And, I completely agree with you about the plot. Plot? You are supposed to figure that out on your own - this isn't a story, it's a puzzle. If we tell you that - it will give away the solution and you'll know too much. Apparently Whedon is far more interested in engaging in a game of hide the sausage then he is in telling a story? (sigh, and we thought Lucas was crazy...with the prequels, at least they made sense. Annoying...but made a modicum of sense.)


[identity profile] beer-good-foamy.livejournal.com 2010-09-03 10:57 pm (UTC)(link)
Heh, thanks!

The kicker? I got to the end, attempted to click on your video and got this reply: "This video contains content from Turner EU who has blocked it in your country on copyright grounds." For some reason I find that highly amusing.

Crap. I've posted a link to another version under it, hope that one works.

Twilight Universe - is the comic book canon

I've actually thought something similar seriously, and I think that's not too far from [livejournal.com profile] 2maggie2's current theory either: that they're essentially fighting the classic romantic narrative. Good idea. So very badly done.

You can figure out which one you are.

I think I'm the funny little dwarf who worked with Giles in the Faith arc. Until he got bored and went home.

And to be honest, my opinion of the SW prequels is pretty much the same as of the Buffy comics. A few good ideas here and there, but overall just... painful, if for different reasons.

[identity profile] fangfaceandrea.livejournal.com 2010-09-03 11:47 pm (UTC)(link)
good review, very well put indeed. Too bad that due to copyright blah I can't watch the viedeo BUT if you tell me which episode it's from I'll be dl-ing it :)

[identity profile] beer-good-foamy.livejournal.com 2010-09-04 12:20 am (UTC)(link)
There's an LQ version of the vid linked under the embedded one that should work. And it's off one of the Robot Chicken Star Wars specials - the first one, I think. ETA: Found a different one to embed.
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[identity profile] norwie2010.livejournal.com 2010-09-04 12:34 am (UTC)(link)
Thank You for still finishing this review. :)

[identity profile] beer-good-foamy.livejournal.com 2010-09-04 09:53 am (UTC)(link)
Thank you for reading it!

[identity profile] treadingthedark.livejournal.com 2010-09-04 01:07 am (UTC)(link)
Excellent review. Comforting to know that I'm not the only one who sees the crap.

This:
"I've read the interview with Scott Allie (who as usual works hard to dispel any notions that there might be a good story in here somewhere)"
Word.

[identity profile] beer-good-foamy.livejournal.com 2010-09-04 10:02 am (UTC)(link)
Thanks!

Comforting to know that I'm not the only one who sees the crap.

Given the dropping sales figures, I'd say there's a few of us. To be honest, I don't see how people don't see it. Sentient Insane Universe giving birth to baby universes with abandonment issues through glowhypnol rape, FFS. It makes the First Evil look logical, personal and relatable. And they just keep piling it on... But hey, if people can manage to overlook that, good for them.
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[personal profile] frogfarm 2010-09-04 12:51 pm (UTC)(link)
They never hardly ever would have been this stupid on the real show.

I've tried to phrase it in all sorts of rational-sounding arguments

Amazing how your efforts only made it sound stupider.

The only reason I'm still bothering with "the good bits surrounded by crap" is because reading a comic takes far less time out of my life than watching a show.

I'm so glad the original actors don't have to pretend this stuff.

Joss, you do not deserve any money or praise for this.

[identity profile] beer-good-foamy.livejournal.com 2010-09-04 01:57 pm (UTC)(link)
They never hardly ever would have been this stupid on the real show.

There were some pretty dumb plots in some episodes, but this plot is a whole other magnitude.

I'm so glad the original actors don't have to pretend this stuff.

You've seen [livejournal.com profile] sockmonkeyhere's Fiddley Bits Theatre (http://sockmonkeyhere.livejournal.com/48062.html#cutid1), right?

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[personal profile] elisi 2010-09-04 08:14 pm (UTC)(link)
Late to the party. Just wanted to say that this is awesome and very, very good.

[identity profile] beer-good-foamy.livejournal.com 2010-09-05 12:46 am (UTC)(link)
Thanks - and I love that icon!

[identity profile] tessarin.livejournal.com 2010-09-04 08:55 pm (UTC)(link)
"But hey, at least once Season 8 is over, we'll never have to hear of it again, right?"

Unfortunately no, you will still hear about S9 although even less people will be reading it and defending it than S8.

Great and amusing review although the context passes me by.

[identity profile] beer-good-foamy.livejournal.com 2010-09-05 12:48 am (UTC)(link)
Unfortunately no, you will still hear about S9 although even less people will be reading it and defending it than S8.

I know. Le Sigh. But I can at least hope, right?

[identity profile] local-max.livejournal.com 2010-09-05 02:19 am (UTC)(link)
This is brilliantly written, though I ultimately disagree. (About season eight, not about Jar-Jar.) But still a great read!

[identity profile] beer-good-foamy.livejournal.com 2010-09-05 08:55 am (UTC)(link)
Hey, there's still four issues for you to come around to my side. ;) Thanks!
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[personal profile] sarian71 2010-09-05 01:21 pm (UTC)(link)
*agrees with you liek whoa*

You're bowing out of the S8 (more than understandable...), but I'm friending you anyway, because, well, I like your style.

Skål! :)

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[identity profile] sockmonkeyhere.livejournal.com 2010-09-06 06:03 am (UTC)(link)
But Angel tells her it's OK since he was just doing it to impress Jodie Foster

I'm laughing so hard that I think I just swallowed my own tongue! XD

Bella declaring the end of the world "the bestest day ever" and sending the guy who's been killing Slayers out to protect them from himself

BWAAAAAAAhahahahaha! XD

My god, but this comic is just too dire for words, isn't it? Your words, however, are brilliant and hilarious and absolutely true. :D

[identity profile] beer-good-foamy.livejournal.com 2010-09-06 09:11 am (UTC)(link)
:D Thanks!

My god, but this comic is just too dire for words, isn't it?

I was honestly thinking I could make it to the end, but everytime it starts looking like we can start to know the story, they do another quick swerve into something that has absolutely nothing to do with anything. I could live with the blatant character assassination - not find it good, but roll my eyes and go with it - but this complete lack of any sort of logic in the story and the constant revisions really bothers me. It's not "sleep with your boyfriend and he will turn into a monster", it's "cross a street in NYC and the Indian subcontinent will turn into a purple squirrel named Gerald."

[identity profile] i-timan-i.livejournal.com 2010-09-07 02:46 am (UTC)(link)
To quote Joss Weldon from his appearance at the Melbourne Writers Festival: ‘Buffy fans have different expectations’

You know, you have to sit and scratch your head when the producers of a long running, and well loved, franchise decided to adopt the plot structure of Final Fantasy XIII:

‘No, seriously, the game is kick ass! You just have to go through the first 25 hours!’

And like Final Fantasy there’s only so many, whiny, androgynous characters emoting at each other you can stomach before last night fajitas decide to evacuate the premises. I agree with you that the main problem is disconnection. This is due in part to the medium in which this story is being told. Don’t get me wrong, I’m not saying that making it into a comic is a bad thing; it’s the visual freedom that I think has killed the heart of Buffy.

Let’s, for a second, think about the idea of Buffy Season 8 being on TV. One of the first hurdles they would have to tackle is production budget. You start talking about a global slayer force and all the production company is hearing is the sound of dollar notes being sucked through a jet engine. You can’t honestly tell me that a thirty foot Dawn would’ve made it past 20th Century Fox (okay, Fox maybe, so long as it started with ‘The Worlds [Insert Adjective] [Insert Noun]’).

No, they would have had to do it on sound stages with a few extern scenes for good measure. There never would’ve been the budget to have Spikes yellow submarine plummet out of Pepper Land. Everything would’ve had to be reigned in. But with a comic it’s different. You want something it’s just an inker away, which is why every man and his dog (Which explains the cameo) was able to pitch in with their own concepts.

Finally, I think your Buffy!Bella comment is more apt then you think. If we stand back for a second (and I mean way back cause, you know, Twihards can throw rocks like nobody’s business) and look at Bella Swans character she is a detached narcesist who was the catalyst for an interspecies war (granted they were already enemies by her presence rose the tension). Despite the pantheonic efforts of the second man in her life to get her affection she just ran back to the brooding first one because he became exra emo. I think we can see the similarities in OOC Buffy right there.

[identity profile] beer-good-foamy.livejournal.com 2010-09-07 10:08 am (UTC)(link)
To quote Joss Weldon from his appearance at the Melbourne Writers Festival: ‘Buffy fans have different expectations’

I like that in recent interviews (http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansites/mediageek/news/?a=22312), he basically seems to be saying that yeah, they tried to strike a balance between show and comic and failed. Too bad he didn't realise that until after they'd failed for four years. There's no rewind button here.

I agree with you that the main problem is disconnection. This is due in part to the medium in which this story is being told. Don’t get me wrong, I’m not saying that making it into a comic is a bad thing; it’s the visual freedom that I think has killed the heart of Buffy.

That's definitely part of it; the unlimited budget, the comic-book conventions that many of the fans aren't even aware of but still have to suffer through simply because it's a comic book now, etc. But in the end, I could probably live with that if the story made sense. It doesn't. Just look at the way they have scrambled for big bads; "It's the military!" "No, it's guy in a gimp suit!" "No, it's Dark Willow from the future!" "No, it's Buffy herself!" "No, it's Angel!" "No, it's The Universe!" "No, it's The Master!" I'm sure they'll be able to squeeze in 3-4 other big bads before it's over... And then there's all the sudden reveals of plot that comes out of nowhere (The Universe true love evolution happiness sparkle motherhood seed of bwuh?) and the way we're supposed to accept it simply because they turn the characters into idiots who tell us it makes sense and it couldn't have happened any other way (poor Giles, poor Angel). I'm not saying Joss is making it up as he goes along, waking up suddenly to realise that he's basically ruined the story in order to fit in all the cool stuff he and his friends thought of one drunken night and trying desperately to piece it together again... I'm just saying that if he had, I'm betting it would look a lot like this.

Finally, I think your Buffy!Bella comment is more apt then you think.

I think it was intended exactly as you read it. :) Even if we accept the idea that Bella!Buffy and Edward!Angel are OOC on purpose and all the Blight shippiness of the last few issues is supposed to be satire (which I'm still not convinced of, and don't expect to ever be) I don't need to have Buffy reduced to a Twilight parody, especially since it hasn't so much been parodying Meyer as sinking to her level lately. Buffy's supposed to be better than that. If it's not, there's really little point in continuing to support it.

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[identity profile] nmcil12.livejournal.com 2010-09-11 07:05 am (UTC)(link)
"And, I completely agree with you about the plot. Plot? You are supposed to figure that out on your own"

Seriously, that entire premise of the creation of a new universe, to me is preposterous - All those friggin years of reading and spending money and we get the primary story, Buffy & Angel going yet another round with their tiresome Love Story only now we have this "mysterious universe" created all the evil and violent forces in the Slayer Line and a vampire who is only not in total KILLER MODE because he was cursed with a soul.

I get that there are interesting things going on with the characters and Buffy - and that Bangelmania is being played with. As for Angel/Angelus, I never thought that the time would come when all I want is for Angel to simply go away and never return, but this comic book series has done just that.

One thing that I share with Angel/Twange, I am running on nothing but faith that Joss Whedon is going to make all this work - but I don't see how it can be done with only 4 issue left. I'm with a whole lot of other fans, I really just want this all to end.

Thanks for posting those great vids and "jar jar syndrome"
Edited 2010-09-11 07:07 (UTC)

[identity profile] beer-good-foamy.livejournal.com 2010-09-11 08:48 pm (UTC)(link)
Seriously, that entire premise of the creation of a new universe, to me is preposterous - All those friggin years of reading and spending money and we get the primary story, Buffy & Angel going yet another round with their tiresome Love Story only now we have this "mysterious universe" created all the evil and violent forces in the Slayer Line and a vampire who is only not in total KILLER MODE because he was cursed with a soul.

YES. It's like they were telling one story - clumsily, but an intriguing one - for a while, about the ramifications of empowering a bunch of Slayers and the world's reaction to them, and then Angel took his mask off and suddenly we were in an entirely different story about true love and God-ordained destiny that required a 30-issue build-up to even be comprehensible - just not the same 30 issues that we'd gotten to read. And even then, it would still be utterly ridiculous.

I am running on nothing but faith that Joss Whedon is going to make all this work - but I don't see how it can be done with only 4 issue left.

Well, apparently Allie or Jeanty or someone has said that we've gotten all the background we're going to get on Twangel, so I guess we're really supposed to think that his decision to kill everyone on the entire planet for their own good was an understandable one. (And that taking over the US army really is that easy, which makes me wonder why Buffy didn't do that instead of rob banks...) As for the rest... I'd be happy to not know. For me it's too late; you can't untell a story. Anything that happens from now on will presumably be the result of this whole sentient insane universe plot, and I absolutely refuse to even try to take that seriously.

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