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beer_good_foamy ([personal profile] beer_good_foamy) wrote2012-08-29 08:24 am
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Meta: Buffy, the Vampire Slayer vs Buffy The Vampire Slayer

I want to talk about Buffy the Vampire Slayer and how there's a (to quote a phrase) question hidden in plain sight in both the title and the story that the show must address. Basically yet another attempt by me to try to explain what "Chosen", for all its faults, does right as a series finale. This is in no way meant to sum up everything that happens in the last couple of seasons, and if there's anything you feel I leave out altogether, that's because I leave it out altogether to talk specifically about this:

Buffy The Vampire Slayer isn't just the title of a television show, it's the central conflict of it. The very thing that gives Buffy (and Buffy) strength is the same thing that traps her. The story itself is the biggest bad, and the central problem of season 7 is, how do you end the story without killing the story?
EVERY REDSHIRT VAMPIRE EVER IN THE ENTIRE SERIES: (fearfully) Slayer!

The Slayer is designed (as we see in s7, literally designed) to be a badass, to be the thing that nightmares have nightmares about, etc... but always for the demons' and the watchers' sakes, not for her own. The central myth of the Slayer, the central narrative of Buffy The Vampire Slayer is set up right there in the title: There's her name, a name that seems to challenge both the viewer and the titular vampires to not take her seriously ("That name is striking fear in nobody's heart"). There's the singular of it, reinforced by the opening narration in the first few seasons (always spoken by a man, of course). "In every generation, there is a chosen one... she alone will stand against the" bla bla bla. There's "Vampire slayer", which plants it squarely within a horror template with all its fixed narratives and structures (just look at Cabin In The Woods); BtVS is rarely a horror movie, but it's always a dramedy set within a horror movie. And finally, the phrase itself establishes that that is what Buffy is, that's her identity, whether she likes it or not.

Buffy The Vampire Slayer is metaphor-heavy; the stated purpose of it is to show high school being literally hell, to concretize real issues and have them represented by various monsters, secret organisations etc. The myth of the Vampire Slayer gives Buffy superpowers and a solid helping of protagonist privilege to help her fight her issues (vampires), but she's still stuck within a story (the city of Sunnydale itself) where she'll never get a choice in how to use them, where she'll be controlled by strict conventions and expectations (personified by but by no means limited to Giles and the Watcher's Concil) of how she's supposed to act - as a hero, as a woman, as a teenager/young adult. She is, as Giles points out, doomed to always be fighting a war but never waging it. She will fight the demons until she dies, and then a new girl will come around. The story will always repeat: one Slayer dies, the next one is chosen.
GILES: This is the way women and men have behaved since the beginning.

Also, the narrative is for her alone. The story has an ensemble cast, but for most of the series, the Scoobies struggle to find a place within the Slayer narrative, either as supporters of Buffy, as antagonists (the show doesn't change its title when Faith shows up - Buffy is still the Vampire Slayer), as counterweights (Willow), but they don't get a myth of their own to help them do what they need.

And finally, the viewers know that it all takes place within the postmodernly self-aware TV show Buffy The Vampire Slayer, which sets its formula and its limitations early on: This is a show that will play with the cliches of horror, comedy, romance, etc. And will therefore be, to a certain extent, trapped by those same cliches; they can subvert them, but they can't ignore them; Buffy the show is trapped in the same narrative that Buffy the character is. And there's another trap in how US television works: don't change the stuff that got people watching in the first place, just repeat the basic formula as long as you can until the viewers get tired of it, 22 42-minute episodes a year until you get axed, then come up with something "new." (But nothing so new that it doesn't fit the format, nothing so new that people don't recognise it, nothing so new that you can't get advertisers, nothing that wakes people up to the idea that they're living in Sunnydale.) The serial nature of the show means things will just keep piling up and Buffy will never be allowed to win, or even just stop fighting, because then there'd be no story; the Slayer narrative dooms her to an unhappy life and an early death, but without it she's powerless (in-story) and gets cancelled (in our world). If Buffy wins, she dies. One show dies, the next one is chosen.
XANDER: You gotta have something. Gotta be with movin' forward.
BUFFY: Like a shark.
XANDER: Like a shark with feet and ... much less fins.
SPIKE: And on land!

So that's how the story works. That's why it needs to keep returning to the same format, the same monsters of the week, the same 7th episode twist, the same May apocalypse, the same two chords over and over again, round and round. And for most US shows, and for most Slayers in the fictional history of Buffy, that's how they live and die.

So what happens over the course of the last couple of seasons of Buffy The Vampire Slayer, but especially in s7? I've said before that "Chosen" is the Slayer going viral, but that doesn't simply mean "suddenly there's a lot of them". Viruses aren't independent beings, they work by latching on to an existing cell and changing it to fit their purpose. Buffy spends much of the first five seasons becoming independent within the Slayer role, but the role itself doesn't change much. What Buffy needs to do in the last season isn't to get rid of the Slayer narrative or destroy it but to take control of it and decide how to wield it - the scythe, but also the most effective weapon: the myth itself, the very thing that's kept her trapped. Exactly how and when (and certainly how efficiently) she does this can be the matter of some debate, depending on how you see the show, but put it this way: the Slayer myth reached its destined end in "The Gift." One Slayer died, the next one was... well, already chosen, so they didn't even need to do that. She did what she was supposed to do: saved the world, died young, became a footnote in a very long line of similar footnotes. Except then Buffy came back, and suddenly the Slayer myth doesn't offer her any more support; it's already played out and now it's damaged, cracked and full of holes. And so after s6, where entropy reigns and everything falls apart, s7 rolls around with all its callbacks to the first couple of seasons - the high school, the inexperienced (potential) Slayers, the horror movie motifs - seemingly putting the story back the way it was, but this time with Buffy getting a say. If season 5 (starting in "Restless") is all about Buffy learning to read the Slayer myth, then season 7 is about her learning to write it.

To do this, she's supplied with a bunch of supposedly blank sheets known as Potentials... except of course, they're not blanks. They don't just do what they're told, anymore than she did seven years earlier. The word "empowerment" gets tossed around a lot about "Chosen", and not always very consistently (or even very convincingly). If it began and ended with a few thousand girls getting superstrength, it wouldn't be much of an empowerment. Strength isn't power; "power" implies a position of influence. Buffy needs to revamp (sorry) the myth itself so that they can use it.

Now... um... I haven't actually gotten to s7 in my rewatch just yet, so this is one of the things I'm going to look at: How, exactly, does Buffy redefine the Slayer role? A couple of examples off the top of my head:
BUFFY: Human rules don't apply. There's only me. I am the law.

For most of s7, nobody denies that Buffy is in charge, but unlike in earlier seasons, there is now nobody who's even nominally above her (though the season is full of people telling her what a Slayer is, or was, or should be - from Giles and Robin to The First). She's on her own; the only thing actively controlling her now, without Watchers, without principals, without bosses (yeah yeah, but her job for Robin turns out to basically be an excuse for her to be in high school), is the raw narrative itself: One girl in all the world, destined to fight and die. And for most of s7, this is a heavier burden for her to bear than ever before - because she's too preoccupied trying to survive and save others. After years of patrolling she's become the chief of police, but not the politician making the laws. This is a recurring theme throughout: Buffy is empowered... to do everything the same way she would have if she hadn't been. Buffy spends much of the season, starting in the aptly titled "Lessons", trying to teach people. Except being the Slayer isn't something she had a choice in, remember, the show forced it upon her; that's not something that can be taught.
FIRST SLAYER: It's not enough!

But then there are the counterthemes that get introduced in the first half of the season. There's the entirety of "Help", which is essentially the episode-length retread of the morgue vamp fight in "The Body": when your entire function is to beat Death up until it inevitably defeats you, what do you do? There's a reason the First doesn't have an ass to kick: eventually, pure physical strength will always be useless. She needs a different approach. She needs to redefine what the purpose of the Slayer is.
BUFFY: Buffy The Vampire Slayer would break down this door.
XANDER: And Buffy The Counsellor?
BUFFY: Waits.

Another thought: speaking of 7th episode twists - how about the fact that episode 7.07 is the only "normal" episode of the series to break the fourth wall and give itself a title? Buffy was always self-aware, but it's in the last two seasons that it starts to flirt openly with outright metafiction in "Once More With Feeling", "Normal Again", "Conversations With Dead People", "Storyteller"... It's as if the very narrative itself shatters along with the Slayer myth; as if the limitations of the medium become a metaphor for the limitatations placed upon the characters. In "Showtime", Buffy can't kill the Turok-Han alone; she needs an audience to see that it can be done.
DOCTOR: Buffy, but that created inconsistencies, didn't it? Your sister, your friends, all those people you created, Sunnydale. They aren't as comforting as they once were, are they? They're coming apart.

"Conversations" also brings back Andrew. [livejournal.com profile] red_satin_doll asked me a while back if Andrew served a purpose in s7, and you know, while I'm not the biggest Andrew fan, I think he does. Andrew's role isn't just to make Star Trek jokes, and it certainly isn't to have a big redemption arc. It's to narrate. It's not his story, so when he tries to take it over in "Storyteller" he promptly gets called on it. But what he does, constantly, is to point out that it is a narrative, that their entire lives are a story written by someone else (society's norms, or Joss Whedon), and that they can take control of this narrative and change it.

There's Spike's redefinition of his story, which is a whole other post I swear I'll write one of these days. But just think of this: how about the fact that Buffy The Vampire Slayer's perhaps closest confidant at the end of the series is a vampire, and one who's spent his entire existence deliberately redefining himself, and that her "second front" in "Chosen" is Angel? Buffy has gone from one supposed to fight vampires to one fighting with vampires; in a story set up to subvert the idea of monsters killing women, the woman now learns from and commands the monsters. The shadowmen infected the First Slayer with the essence of a demon, that she may be able to fight for them; Buffy Summers (Buffy The Vampire Slayer) infects her (its) demons with humanity, that they may be able to fight for her.

And there's the fact that Buffy survives. Much like Buffy can't kill Dracula, the original vampire myth, Buffy The Vampire Slayer can't kill Buffy Summers. If it did, there'd be no story.

I'm not saying s7 did everything right. In terms of internal consistency and logic, it's probably the sloppiest of all seven seasons. There are entire character arcs that barely get touched upon. There are some problematic ideas that get presented with no ambiguity at all. But I really love what it tried to do, and in its best moments succeeded in doing. Buffy The Vampire Slayer wasn't cancelled - it scythed axed itself, on its own terms, after redefining the central problem it established in the very first episode. It ends with Buffy having taken the myth that always trapped her there with her, handing the bits she can use out to others and sending the rest down into the crater. It ends outside the story, outside Sunnydale, in broad daylight.
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[personal profile] rebcake 2012-09-04 08:28 pm (UTC)(link)
Well, that's just excellent. Aren't a couple of the quotes you use in this meta are from "Restless"? That seems interesting for some reason I can't articulate. You class that episode as the first of the later seasons, so maybe the setup for the meta deconstruction was ramped up in that ep...

I'm just starting my S7 rewatch, during which I'm going to keep all this in mind. Thanks in for all the Thoughts.

[identity profile] ffutures.livejournal.com 2012-08-29 06:47 am (UTC)(link)
I think that's the best meta-justification for S7 and especially Chosen I've ever seen. Still lots of flaws, but it makes a lot more sense than most I've seen.

[identity profile] local-max.livejournal.com 2012-08-29 07:09 am (UTC)(link)
Wonderful, as always -- and very much in keeping with, but going beyond, thoughts I've already had. I am sure there will be much more to stew about later, but three thoughts for now.

1. The real conflict in season six, perhaps the central one, is the Metaphor Frame vs. Real Life Frame -- real life manifests itself as life itself as hell compared to a (possibly imagined?) metaphor-death heaven, bills, failed weddings, abusive relationships, attempted rape, gun-toting maniacs. Buffy's two episodes in which she comes nearest to killing her friends and lover are Dead Things and Normal Again, and both involve rapid shifts between these two frames -- she is fighting a vampire and then she's fighting Katrina, she starts punching Spike in vampface and finishes with the guy in human face; Normal Again has a fantasy-frame poison from Andrew convince her that her real life frame story cannot be real and she nearly kills all her friends for a fantasy-frame realer-than-her-real-life hallucination (probably). The reason Willow is the proximate Big Bad is that she is the one who has accrued the most Fantasy Frame power over the last few seasons, surpassing even Buffy's in terms of raw power, but it's also abstracted power: "magic" is less well defined than Buffy's very specific metaphor-frame power. And so Willow tries to use metaphor-frame power to combat life-frame problems, and because ultimately they are separate frames, she fails repeatedly, culminating in a desperate attempt to blot out the real life frame with her fantasy frame powers. Which means many things, but ultimately the only way to break out of the constraints of the Real Life story really *is* to die, and that is ultimately not the preferred option. The real life frame has *always* been a part of the show, of course -- it is where many of the emotions lie -- but the metaphor frame was always there to provide the outlets necessary to deal with the real life frame problems, as long as the metaphor frame still existed -- which, in your construction, would be "as long as Buffy doesn't die and her story doesn't end." Buffy's reembracing life happens as a person, not as a slayer, just as Everyman RL-frame Xander convinces Willow lets herself *not* use her metaphor-powers to destroy the whole world, while Spike goes off and changes himself.

2. The fact that Willow doesn't end the world also shows the problem with narrative. We are all trapped in a narrative, which is that we will live until we die; there simply is no escape from it, and the pain that accompanies it, *except death*, which, even then, is not really an escape. Ending the story can't be the answer, because without a story there only *is* death. Which emphasizes why Buffy can't just, shouldn't just remove her slayerness from the equation entirely and why she has to take control of, and *use*, her story to make both her life and the world around her better. Simply destroying the story is *tempting*, and I am grateful for the show to present that as a possibility and finally rejecting it for humanistic reasons. But Buffy et al. have to find the good in her story (their story) to expand it outward.

[identity profile] local-max.livejournal.com 2012-08-29 07:10 am (UTC)(link)
3. This also ties into Andrew's story in season seven. Because the human world of the Buffyverse is basically based on our world, the Trio treated magic in season six as, basically, human fans watching the TV series might: as a tool to spin grandiose stories about themselves within the narrative. In season seven, Andrew's "redemption" highlights the worst traits of fan engagement and the possibility of a better engagement with the text just as it's ending. "Storyteller" is the sixth-to-last episode of the series, and ends with Andrew turning the camera off (and for us, turning the TV off) and actively engaging in life. Buffy tells Andrew that he should NOT be using her story, and his imagined role in it, as an excuse to avoid dealing with his actual life. I don't want to overstate this, because I don't think Jane E is really being anti-fan here; but I do think that there is a big element here of Buffy communicating, through Andrew, the necessity of viewers letting the show go after it's over -- or, at least, of finding ways to marshal the story to make our lives and the world better. Which is also why we are left out of Buffy's thoughts at the end of the series -- she has in that moment grown beyond belonging to us, and we have grown beyond needing her. I think I'm making this sound like the season is some condescending critique of us, which I really, really don't think it is (or, maybe it is, but that's not how I interpret it), but I think that "Storyteller" deals with the negative side of fannish engagement as well as preparing fans for the upcoming bittersweet separation from the narrative.



It's interesting that the two women you explicitly identify as being stifled by the "Buffy the Vampire Slayer" narrative (Faith and Willow) are also the two women who I was thinking could be argued as being "above" Buffy in season seven: Willow is more powerful than her as Kennedy points out, but is understandably reluctant to use that power; and Faith eventually inherits Buffy's protagonist status for an episode. Part of Buffy's final act is to reaffirm Willow's power and to affirm Faith, and all the other slayers', identities as being in league with hers.
Edited 2012-08-29 07:15 (UTC)

[identity profile] beer-good-foamy.livejournal.com 2012-08-29 08:37 am (UTC)(link)
Thanks!

[identity profile] beer-good-foamy.livejournal.com 2012-08-29 10:01 am (UTC)(link)
The real conflict in season six, perhaps the central one, is the Metaphor Frame vs. Real Life Frame

Oh yes, absolutely. They've spent five years inside a traditional* fantasy narrative. Then Glory's spell breaks down the walls between realities (!) and when they wake up again, not only is the fantasy narrative out of juice, but it actively clashes with the real life one. (And agreed with all your comments on Willow.)

* Subverted, but the thing about subversions is that they need to acknowledge tropes and clichés even more than stories that don't try to subvert them.

We are all trapped in a narrative, which is that we will live until we die

"You die in the dream, you wake up in reality. Ask me what happens if you die in reality."
"What happens?
"You die, stupid. That's why it's called 'reality'."

the pain that accompanies it, *except death*, which, even then, is not really an escape

It can be argued that "The Gift" is Buffy trying to escape (in "Normal Again", the Doctor hints that she had a previous "lucid" episode over the summer). But the narrative changes that she's set in motion, by already redefining the role of the Slayer and adding sidekicks to the "she alone", won't let her; Buffy The Vampire Slayer, through Willow (and the magic of ad revenue) tells her that oh no, you're not done yet, there's more to this story.

I think that "Storyteller" deals with the negative side of fannish engagement as well as preparing fans for the upcoming bittersweet separation from the narrative.

You know, having poked at this post for over a week, I'm probably the last person who should be criticising fannish engagement... :) But:

Buffy tells Andrew that he should NOT be using her story, and his imagined role in it, as an excuse to avoid dealing with his actual life.

The flipside of that is "use it to deal with your actual life." Which of course is the central role of any myth, or at least was before we started taking them literally...

It's interesting that the two women you explicitly identify as being stifled by the "Buffy the Vampire Slayer" narrative (Faith and Willow) are also the two women who I was thinking could be argued as being "above" Buffy in season seven

Heh, lucky coincidence (or just fannish preference) that I picked those two; I could have come up with endless examples. :) But yes, agreed. Faith's (and Kendra's) role within a story called Buffy The Vampire Slayer is always going to be secondary - which is why I think the conversation between Faith and Buffy in "End Of Days" is pivotal; Faith understanding Buffy a little better, and then reminding her they're "hot chicks with superpowers" - there's a we in there.
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[personal profile] shapinglight 2012-08-29 10:46 am (UTC)(link)
Absolutely wonderful piece of meta. I feel all justified now in how much I love season 7 (and not just for the Spuffy stuff). It really is a perfect end to the show.

ETA: I wish I had something intelligent to add, but sadly not.
Edited 2012-08-29 10:47 (UTC)

[identity profile] slaymesoftly.livejournal.com 2012-08-29 11:57 am (UTC)(link)
Great piece of meta. Just when I think everything has been discussed into oblivion... Thanks for posting.

[identity profile] beer-good-foamy.livejournal.com 2012-08-29 12:11 pm (UTC)(link)
:) Thanks!

To quote Joss himself: "I've been saying, anybody who didn't get that this is the last season after [the scene with Spike being circled by The First as all the previous big bads] was missing the point."

[identity profile] beer-good-foamy.livejournal.com 2012-08-29 12:30 pm (UTC)(link)
Thanks for reading! I'd be surprised if I'm that original, but it felt good to get this down. :)

[identity profile] local-max.livejournal.com 2012-08-29 12:35 pm (UTC)(link)
Oh yes, absolutely. They've spent five years inside a traditional* fantasy narrative. Then Glory's spell breaks down the walls between realities (!) and when they wake up again, not only is the fantasy narrative out of juice, but it actively clashes with the real life one. (And agreed with all your comments on Willow.)

Whoa -- do you think that the results are the effect of Glory's spell? Or is it more that In The Metaphor, Buffy's death halted the total narrative collapse, but her being resurrected means that the same thing happens again, albeit this time as a slow motion train wreck rather than Glory's bomb explosion. (Um, I should probably think of better analogies but hey, violent show.)

It's noteworthy that it's in season five which follows Buffy's first genuinely non-supernatural (or sci-fi grounded, counting Buffy/Riley as being related to the Initiative's clear genre underpinnings) grounded story -- i.e. Joyce's illness and death. That human death is I think what leads to the necessity of having to deal with the Real Life frame on its own terms, and it's only Glory's full-out assault on Dawn that can postpone it as long as it can. (Though The Body recognizes that it's a lie, within Sunnydale, to act as if the metaphor frame ever fully goes away. Which is interesting: even The Twilight Zone had some episodes with no sci-fi or supernatural elements, though of course anthologies are anthologies.)

"You die in the dream, you wake up in reality. Ask me what happens if you die in reality."
"What happens?
"You die, stupid. That's why it's called 'reality'."


http://xkcd.com/180/. Which, you know, I'm Canadian, so, I guess my immortality is not ensured after all....

It can be argued that "The Gift" is Buffy trying to escape (in "Normal Again", the Doctor hints that she had a previous "lucid" episode over the summer). But the narrative changes that she's set in motion, by already redefining the role of the Slayer and adding sidekicks to the "she alone", won't let her; Buffy The Vampire Slayer, through Willow (and the magic of ad revenue) tells her that oh no, you're not done yet, there's more to this story.

Right. And of course this started as soon as (or earlier than, but it was definitely underway) Buffy took Willow under her wing in WttH, and followed through Xander breaking the narrative that was "written" to breathe her back to life in PG. But in PG, from a *narrative* perspective, death was practically just a flesh wound (though with serious emotional scarring I don't mean to undermine). Buffy certainly is trying to escape, but that's not a bad thing -- the thing she's escaping from is the set of circumstances that force her to choose between her sister and the world, metaphor and reality, etc. Though if it were only that particular situation and not the broader situation, she would (probably) not struggle so heavily with her return -- it's not just that situation but the whole broader dilemma that she has to solve.

You know, having poked at this post for over a week, I'm probably the last person who should be criticising fannish engagement... :)

:) I hear you, and I was trying to figure out how to phrase what I wrote while making clear that we who live in fandom are not Andrew (for one thing, I presume most of us haven't killed our best friends because someone quoted Star Wars at us). I do think that the show's ending has a very "this story is over, move on with your life" vibe to it that a lot of TV series have, in one way or another. Which, I want to come back to that later....

The flipside of that is "use it to deal with your actual life." Which of course is the central role of any myth, or at least was before we started taking them literally...

Yes, definitely -- which, Buffy does put on a show in order to inspire Andrew to face his actual life, which is another part of her arc of understanding and rewriting her own myth. The line between using narrative to hide from your life and using narrative to help with it can be fuzzy, and the episode exists to emphasize the distinction between them.

[identity profile] local-max.livejournal.com 2012-08-29 12:35 pm (UTC)(link)
Heh, lucky coincidence (or just fannish preference) that I picked those two; I could have come up with endless examples. :) But yes, agreed. Faith's (and Kendra's) role within a story called Buffy The Vampire Slayer is always going to be secondary - which is why I think the conversation between Faith and Buffy in "End Of Days" is pivotal; Faith understanding Buffy a little better, and then reminding her they're "hot chicks with superpowers" - there's a we in there.

Absolutely. :) I mean, Xander and Dawn are the ones who are most clearly identified in s7 as being permanently outside the spotlight; Xander represents the Everymale who expected that this was going to be his story, not because of malice but because that's the way these things work, and then genuinely came to a good place of unflashy Supporting Actor territory, and Dawn the women who have a different path than Buffy that they are still in the process of finding. Cordelia had to switch series to get out of Buffy's shadow (and Wesley has to switch series in order to get out of Giles').

[identity profile] beer-good-foamy.livejournal.com 2012-08-29 12:51 pm (UTC)(link)
Whoa -- do you think that the results are the effect of Glory's spell?

Not really, but it is a very nice metaphor: After "the walls of reality break down", we get two seasons where the story practically weaponises the fourth wall.

But in PG, from a *narrative* perspective, death was practically just a flesh wound (though with serious emotional scarring I don't mean to undermine).

Exactly; her death in PG may upset the story prophesised for Buffy Summers in-story, but it doesn't upset or subvert the traditional Hero's Journey - it's basically Frodo getting stabbed on Weathertop. It changes Buffy's story, in that she's now a free agent within the myth, but it doesn't change the myth itself.

Buffy does put on a show in order to inspire Andrew to face his actual life, which is another part of her arc of understanding and rewriting her own myth

There's also that from a certain point of view, Buffy is quite simply wrong when she says life isn't a story. Or rather, when Sarah Michelle Gellar says the line "Life isn't a story", written by Jane Espenson for episode 7.16 of Buffy The Vampire Slayer. :) Just as when she points out in "Chosen" that the only reason there's only one Slayer is because the Shadow Men wrote her that way (insert Jessica Rabbit quote here).
Edited 2012-08-29 12:53 (UTC)

[identity profile] boot-the-grime.livejournal.com 2012-08-29 12:53 pm (UTC)(link)
Great essay - it goes to My Memories and I think I'll be quoting you whenever those periodic "BtVS should have ended with The Gift" debates start again (another one has just started a couple of days ago on IMDB).

I'm curious, how do you see the role of the comics in this context?

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[identity profile] beer-good-foamy.livejournal.com 2012-08-29 01:00 pm (UTC)(link)
Thanks!

I'm curious, how do you see the role of the comics in this context?

I don't. :) Whatever opinion one has of the comics (mine is, shall we say, less than positive), season 7 was explicitly written as an ending, as a way to sum up and subvert the journey Buffy had gone on, and a continuation in any form wasn't a part of the plan. That said, the point of "Chosen" isn't to shut the story down but to open it up, so I'm sure someone who's interested could look at what the comics do to this idea.

[personal profile] kikimay 2012-08-29 02:29 pm (UTC)(link)
I ADORE Season Seven. I think that, probably, the first part is better than the second, but I believe that Chosen is the perfect ending for BtVS and for Buffy's journey as a hero. Loved your meta.
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[personal profile] gillo 2012-08-29 02:35 pm (UTC)(link)
Buffy has gone from one supposed to fight vampires to one fighting with vampires; in a story set up to subvert the idea of monsters killing women, the woman now learns from and commands the monsters. The shadowmen infected the First Slayer with the essence of a demon, that she may be able to fight for them; Buffy Summers (Buffy The Vampire Slayer) infects her (its) demons with humanity, that they may be able to fight for her.

Excellent insight. Especially as she is instrumental in both vampires regaining their souls.
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[personal profile] quinara 2012-08-29 04:00 pm (UTC)(link)
I always love S7 meta and this is really cool. I'm not sure I can get enough distance on Chosen to see it this way, just because of that whole issue where Buffy exerting control over herself and her myth is shown by her exerting change on others (who, outside of a few, haven't had a say in it at all), but I do like what you're saying.

[identity profile] angearia.livejournal.com 2012-08-29 04:52 pm (UTC)(link)
If season 5 (starting in "Restless") is all about Buffy learning to read the Slayer myth, then season 7 is about her learning to write it.

YES GOOD. (Which intersects with the idea of ~writing~ Slayerhood on the body in "Chosen" for the potentials who weren't offering themselves up as sheets of paper to be developed and published for all the world. Overwriting someone else's life narrative, overwriting their body. An unintended consequence of Buffy's [and Willow's] action. In trying to rewrite the myth, she oversteps.)

BUFFY: Human rules don't apply. There's only me. I am the law.

And ooooh how she does NOT want to be supreme ruler. Instead of going all Macchiavellian and murdering allcomers who could take her crown of The One and She Alone, she shares the power -- a singular power that she does enjoy for its feelings of superiority but that she recognizes as unjust in its limitations both on her own life and the lives of others. I suspect if Buffy could still She Alone and save all the Potentials too, she would continue shouldering that burden on her own. It's only when it becomes clear that She Alone isn't enough that the injustice becomes impossible for her to ignore, becomes a necessary obstacle to overcome.

And Buffy The Counsellor?

Just now picking up on that connection (thanks to your meta) about how Buffy's trying to robe herself in a more formal political identity through her job as Counselor (her own Council).

It's interesting to think about the necessity of removing the Watcher's Council from the picture, yet it's not Buffy who plays the role of radical revolutionary -- it's the First and Caleb as the First's emissary. So Super EVIL takes out the Patriarchy (tho the target was the intellectual resources, education, and strategy that the Council could provide if they weren't intent on withholding).

In "Showtime", Buffy can't kill the Turok-Han alone; she needs an audience to see that it can be done.

If a Turokhan falls in the woods, and there's no one there to hear it...

they can take control of this narrative and change it.

YES GOOD. It's the natural culmination of Buffy's resistance through sartorial choices and witty quips. She begins as a performer and advances to director/writer/author. Joss is Buffy, etc etc (where Joss begins as a performer in his imagination living out his favorite comics and movies).

But I really love what it tried to do, and in its best moments succeeded in doing. Buffy The Vampire Slayer wasn't cancelled - it scythed axed itself, on its own terms, after redefining the central problem it established in the very first episode. It ends with Buffy having taken the myth that always trapped her there with her, handing the bits she can use out to others and sending the rest down into the crater. It ends outside the story, outside Sunnydale, in broad daylight.

Beautiful ♥

[identity profile] angearia.livejournal.com 2012-08-29 05:00 pm (UTC)(link)
The flipside of that is "use it to deal with your actual life."

YES because using storytelling to make sense of your own life (rather than escaping dealing) is a time-honored way of coping and healing. The story provides distance one may need to gain perspective and free oneself from a reactionary, repetitive, self-defeating cycle. But if taken too far, the escapism overwhelms. So finding the balance between Fiction and Reality is the hope -- what Season 6 strives for and Season 7 accomplishes. Buffy heals herself by learning the narrative of the Slayer, a narrative that she's used as escape, but like with escaping into fiction, it can lead to extreme isolation and even depression. Buffy comes to terms with the story and learns to use the story to forge connection -- to stop her pattern of superior-inferiority and losing her Buffy identity in her mythic Slayerhood as she just "slips away" into the night to fight the metaphor demons rather than dealing directly with the causes of the metaphor. Dealing directly by looking within herself and her team for solutions (can't fight evil by doing evil, by supporting Spike, by supporting Willow, by empowering the Potentials) and shining a light on the heart of the fictional source, the hellmouth, which essentially ERASES the monstrous metaphor mothership. Throwing the monsters into the light, as if the ink of the narrative can only be read in secret like a spy's missive. (Am now imagining Giles deciphering demonic texts with a black light and LSD...)

meta is good

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[personal profile] elisi 2012-08-29 05:39 pm (UTC)(link)
As someone who's been a S7 since forever, I love this to pieces, obviously. Esp the way you show how storytelling is both external and internal and how the characters have to tell their own story in order to own it, and also how S5 was not the best ending, but just the one that fit into the existing narrative, but didn't break out.

♥ ♥ ♥

[identity profile] hello-spikey.livejournal.com 2012-08-29 06:11 pm (UTC)(link)
Cool thoughts, dude.

(Sorry, that's all I got.)

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