Maybe you read a different version of the comic than me.
There seems to be a lot of that lately, doesn't it? ;-)
Turning isn’t counted as killing by ordinary humans like Jacob’s mother – as far as she’s concerned vampire Jacob is still her little boy.
So she's even further removed from reality than even William's mother or Liam's father were. And they both lived in a world predating Dracula.
It could be that these attitudes aren’t representative but it’s a story. Why tell it if it doesn’t tell us anything about the world?
Why claim that it constitutes a change from the old ways when it looks exactly like the old ways? Also, re: Jacob's town being typical, see my response to angearia above.
The difference between this and Lie to Me is that the world has changed enough for Chanterele and Co to have real evidence for their view that vampires are no more dangerous than drunk drivers and a cleaner safer alternative to drugs.
If by "evidence for" you mean "evidence against", since even Chanterelle was smart enough to immediately see that she was in deep deep shit the second she laid eyes on a vampire. Surely someone would pick up on the fact that the people killed by vampires are actually, y'know, killed? As in no heart rate, blood lust, tendency to kill others who in turn... etc?
If you can accept that fiction for the sake of the story, then the idea that most people have shifted from convincing themselves that demons aren’t real (in the face of all the evidence we’ve seen to the contrary) to convincing themselves that vampires are harmless hardly seems a problem.
I really disagree - I don't think that's comparable at all. I always thought that whatever the different rules, human psychology in the Buffyverse had at least a passing similarity to that in our world. It's a fantastical 'verse, not a surrealist one. And in TV canon, admitting that monsters existed almost always led - if not immediately - to a realisation that they were a problem. Especially among the groups that actually met them face to face on a regular basis (Gunn's crew, for instance).
Identity’s a complicated thing. I’d guess most of us have wanted not to be who we are at some point but it’s rarely a long term solution to anything.
Very true, but not all of us want to be who someone else has unilaterally decided that we need to be.
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Date: 2009-07-07 09:21 pm (UTC)There seems to be a lot of that lately, doesn't it? ;-)
Turning isn’t counted as killing by ordinary humans like Jacob’s mother – as far as she’s concerned vampire Jacob is still her little boy.
So she's even further removed from reality than even William's mother or Liam's father were. And they both lived in a world predating Dracula.
It could be that these attitudes aren’t representative but it’s a story. Why tell it if it doesn’t tell us anything about the world?
Why claim that it constitutes a change from the old ways when it looks exactly like the old ways? Also, re: Jacob's town being typical, see my response to
The difference between this and Lie to Me is that the world has changed enough for Chanterele and Co to have real evidence for their view that vampires are no more dangerous than drunk drivers and a cleaner safer alternative to drugs.
If by "evidence for" you mean "evidence against", since even Chanterelle was smart enough to immediately see that she was in deep deep shit the second she laid eyes on a vampire. Surely someone would pick up on the fact that the people killed by vampires are actually, y'know, killed? As in no heart rate, blood lust, tendency to kill others who in turn... etc?
If you can accept that fiction for the sake of the story, then the idea that most people have shifted from convincing themselves that demons aren’t real (in the face of all the evidence we’ve seen to the contrary) to convincing themselves that vampires are harmless hardly seems a problem.
I really disagree - I don't think that's comparable at all. I always thought that whatever the different rules, human psychology in the Buffyverse had at least a passing similarity to that in our world. It's a fantastical 'verse, not a surrealist one. And in TV canon, admitting that monsters existed almost always led - if not immediately - to a realisation that they were a problem. Especially among the groups that actually met them face to face on a regular basis (Gunn's crew, for instance).
Identity’s a complicated thing. I’d guess most of us have wanted not to be who we are at some point but it’s rarely a long term solution to anything.
Very true, but not all of us want to be who someone else has unilaterally decided that we need to be.